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Meeting called to order 8:30 January 26th, 2004
Administrivia:
>>> Next meeting is February 23th, at 8:30 Pacific Time, same number. <<<
Meetings occur every fouth monday thereafter. Web site is
http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html
Attendance:
Today DASC member (D yes, - no)
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa D Michael McNamara <verisity>
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aa D Steven Sharp <cadence>
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aa D Karen Pieper <synopsys>
Aaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaa- D Shalom Bresticker <motorola>
Aaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa-a- D Charles Dawson <cadence>
Aaaaaaaa D Francoise Martinolle <cadence>
Aaaaa-aa-aaaaaaaaaa D James A. Markevitch <Evegreen Technology>
Aaaaa-aa----------- D Drew Lynch <verisity>
Aaaaa-a---aaaaa-aa- D Stuart Sutherland <sutherland-hdl>
Aaaa--aa-a-aaaaaaa- D Stefen Boyd <boyd>
Aaaa D Richard Ho (rep Curt Widdoes)
Aaa-aaa-aaaa------- D Kurt Baty <wfsdb>
A-aa-aaa D Dennis Brophy <model>
A-a-aa D Keith Gover
A-aaaa D Ennis Hawk <Jeda>
A--aaaa------a--aa- D Tom Fitzpatrick <synopsys>
A---a--a D Karen Bartleson <synopsys>
aaaaaaaaaaaa----aa D Brad Pierce <synopsys>
aaa-----aa-a---aaa - Clifford E. Cummings <sunburst-design>
aa----a D Steven Dovich <cadence>
a D Ronald Goodstein
-aaaaa D Alec Stanclulesco <fintronic>
-a---a--a--------- - Krishna Garlapati <synplicity>
-aaaa-----a------- D Mehdi Mohtashemi <synopsys>
--a D Atsushi <Jeda>
--a--aa-aaaaaaaaaa D Anders Nordstrom <cadence>
---aa - Don Mills <lcdm-eng.com>
----aaa D Jay Lawrence <cadence>
----a-aaaaaaaaa-aa D Gordon Vreugdenhil <synopsys>
----a D David Smith <synopsys>
----a D Dave Rich
----a D Chong Guan Tan <verisity>
--------aaaaaaaaaa - Dennis Marsa <xilinx>
----------------aa - Erich Marchner <cadence>
-----------------a D Peter Flake <synopsys>
1) The Chair read the IEEE patent policy presentation,and refers all
to http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a link to the IEEE
policy is prominent.
2) Shalom - two corrections Stefen made Issue 467 - should be 484; Vote
on Issue 505 appear twice, second one deleted. Status of issues
needing clarification should have been (71, 158). Ammendment to
issue 504, should have been preceded with a vertical bar before the
word variable identifier.
Moved Shalom, Stefen. None opposed, None abstaion. Minutes approved.
3) Report of the 2001c Project: Standard has been posted to IEEE
Standards online, reporttedly. The new Standard appears on IEEE
Explore, however, with no indication that it is a Version C. There
also is no reference to the fact that an Errata exists. However
there is another page that lists standards with errata, and it
lists 1364. We've asked Andy to update the 1364 IEEE Explore page
to include a reference to the errata document.
4) 2005 Draft C is completed, and is on the web site. This includes
all the changes up through todays meeting.
5) Report of BTF committee: The BTF passed three documents: Extensions
Guidelines, A process flow document, and a checklist that each
proposal champion should fill out to insure procedures are being
followed.
Tom expresses Synopsys's hesitation on the Extensions Guideline
itself, specifically the "Spirit of Verilog," especially as it
applies to System Verilog, perhaps in a way that might a priori
prevent adoption of elements of System Verilog. Tom will come back
with a motion to clarify requirements for adopting (guidelines are
guidelines, a vote is required).
Shalom is concerned about the slow rate of progress of the BTF.
Steve's response is that the guidelines needed to be agreed to
first, and they have now been. From this point forward we will
make good progress.
Stu: how do we hit the 2005 date? Back solving says 6 months for
ballot, three months for final edit cleanup, we have 14 months.
Steve Sharp: How to avoid Errata? (Shalom: Issue tracking system
should help).
Kurt: we need someone with language experiance to chair Data
Extentions.
6) Report from PLI task force: The group will meet at 4:00 pm today,
and has two new members.
7) Report from ETF: Spent a lot of time looking at generate proposal,
still need time to finish. Jason and Shalom have worked further on
this, and made a before and after version, as there are myriad
little changes that are hard to track. Should send this out this
week, so the before and after can be easily compared and
contrasted. No issues have been passed for the VSG to consider.
8) Then the group took up the next item on the agenda, which was to
review and consider for approval the activities of the Errata and
PLI Task Forces.
Those seeking more information on these issues are directed to
http://www.boyd.com/1364_btf, where one can access these items by
issue number. As is usual practice, these matters are presented to
the VSG by one of the chairs of the task force; discussion ensues; and
only votes of those opposed or abstain are noted.
Issue : 241 Made by Stu, Seconded by Charles
Proposal is to close issue with no action.
Opposed: none
Abstain: none
Motion passes
Issue : 294 Made by Charles, Seconded by Stuart
Ammended as follows: Change second sentence to read:
The property shall return false for attributes defined on a module
as part of a module instantiation, or any object other than a module.
Opposed: none
Abstain: none
Motion passes
Issue : 333 This is a duplicate of another issue.
Proposal is to close issue with no action.
Opposed: none
Abstain: none
Motion passes
Issue 367: Made by Charles, Seconded by Stuart
Opposed: none
Abstain: none
Motion passes
Issue 426: Made by Charles, Seconded by Stuart
Opposed: none
Abstain: none
Motion passes
Issue 513: Made by Charles, Seconded by Stuart
Shalom - is it still a one to many? Charles - Yes.
Opposed: none
Abstain: none
Motion passes
Stefen moves, and James seconds that we put EG, Check Process flow,
via email, with a vote due by 9:00 am pacific time
Shalom's comment: Not all enhancement requests are, "it would be
nice;" some are desperately needed. (For example, no PLI access to a
2001 feature).
Tom moves adjourn.
10:30 meeting adjourned.
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