RE: More problems with your Apology...

From: Michael McNamara (mac@verisity.com)
Date: Wed Mar 24 2004 - 09:31:44 PST

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    -- On Mar 24 2004 at 07:24, William Paulsen sent a message:
    > To: cliffc@sunburst-design.com, btf@boyd.com, vfv@eda.org
    > Subject: "RE: More problems with your Apology..."
    >
    > I suspect that these guidelines that restrict standards discussions
    > apply only during official IEEE standards meetings.
    >
    > I think it would be difficult to restrict casual email discussions, such
    > as here.
    >
    > Indeed, if email discussions must follow the restriction guidelines,
    > then I would think that other informal discussions that occur outside
    > IEEE meetings must also be restricted - such as informal discussions in
    > hallways, for example, or even private emails.
    >
    > But how can these informal discussions be enforced?

    Please refer to
    <http://standards.ieee.org/resources/StdsLaw_Brochure.pdf>
    in the section entitled "Standards and Records, paragraphs 4, 5 & 6.

    Also note that emails sent to an email reflector of a Standards Group
    are considered to be part of the activities of the group, and indeed
    according to the Model Operating Procedures of DASC sponsored IEEE
    groups may even grant privileges akin to those gained by physical or
    telephonic attendance.

    -mac

    >
    > Bill Paulsen
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Clifford E. Cummings [mailto:cliffc@sunburst-design.com]
    > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:39 PM
    > > To: btf@boyd.com; vfv@eda.org
    > > Subject: Re: More problems with your Apology...
    > >
    > >
    > > Hi, All -
    > >
    > > Please forgive me but I can't find the "second round of distribution"
    > > mentioned by Alec and referenced by Mac. I know my original
    > > email to the
    > > btf and vfv reflectors had bad content but I cannot find the second
    > > offending email (unless it is my response to Mac's email
    > > where I replied
    > > and kept his comments about my original bad references??)
    > >
    > > Please let me know what the "second round of distribution" is
    > > referring to.
    > > I promise I will appropriately apologize for that content too.
    > >
    > > I guess I need a generic EDA company to write me a generic
    > > linting tool to
    > > lint my emails for generic offensive content before I forward
    > > comments to
    > > the generic standards reflectors (this is getting way too
    > > complicated!)
    > >
    > > Regards - Cliff
    > >
    > > At 03:28 PM 3/23/2004, Michael McNamara wrote:
    > >
    > > >And, as I pointed out in the meeting, these guidelines are
    > > not based on
    > > >whether one works for, or does not work for any company.
    > > >
    > > >Also these guidelines really have nothing to do with the
    > > bylaws of the
    > > >IEEE-SA; instead they have to do with the laws of the United States.
    > > >
    > > >The IEEE-SA formed these guidelines (you could think of them
    > > as Design
    > > >Rules) for us so as to provide a framework where we can operate as a
    > > >standards group while remaining at all times in compliance with the
    > > >laws of the United States.
    > > >
    > > >-- On Mar 23 2004 at 10:48, Alec Stanculescu sent a message:
    > > > > To: alec@f4.fintronic.com, btf@boyd.com, vfv@eda.org
    > > > > Subject: "Apology!"
    > > > > Cliff,
    > > > >
    > > > > After apologizing, you included the offending statements for a
    > > >second
    > > > > round of distribution!
    > > > >
    > > > > And, just to keep the record straight, are you stating
    > > that you never
    > > > > received money from any company selling EDA tools?
    > > > >
    > > > > Alec Stanculescu
    > > > >
    > > > > > Hi, All -
    > > > > >
    > > > > > My bad! I don't work for an company that sells EDA
    > > tools and I
    > > > > > forgot the new bylaws that forbid mention of companies and
    > > > > > product plans. I will refrain from mentioning companies in
    > > > > > future discussions.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I hope the issues I raised do not get lost in my
    > > poor presentation
    > > > of same.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Sorry, all!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Regards - Cliff
    > > > > >
    > > > > > At 06:49 AM 3/23/2004, Michael McNamara wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >-- On Mar 18 2004 at 18:01, Clifford E. Cummings
    > > sent a message:
    > > > > > > > To: btf@boyd.com, vfv@eda.org
    > > > > > > > Subject: "RE: PSL: Attributes for Verilog and
    > > SystemVerilog"
    > > > > > > > Hi, All -
    > > > > > >...
    > >
    > > ----------------------------------------------------
    > > Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design, Inc.
    > > 14314 SW Allen Blvd., PMB 501, Beaverton, OR 97005
    > > Phone: 503-641-8446 / FAX: 503-641-8486
    > > cliffc@sunburst-design.com / www.sunburst-design.com Expert
    > > Verilog, SystemVerilog, Synthesis and Verification Training
    > >
    > >
    > >

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