RE: Comments on events at NesCom meeting

From: Victor Berman (vberman@cadence.com)
Date: Thu Jun 24 2004 - 08:31:11 PDT

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    Dennis,

    The way I heard it was not a proposal to withhold approval of P1800 but
    a question about the process. I think everyone will agree that there
    needs to be a speedy resolution to the changes to the P1364 PAR to make
    the coordination with P1800 work smoothly. I heard concern voiced that
    a delay in this process could have a negative impact on the process.

    I agree that the comments and questions did not represent the position
    of the DASC, but they were not presented as such. They were presented
    as the questions of an interested party in the process.

     Victor

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Brophy, Dennis [mailto:dennisb@model.com]
    Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:22 AM
    To: Victor Berman; stds-dasc-sc@eda.org
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    Subject: RE: Comments on events at NesCom meeting

    Victor,

      You may not have listened well to the comments being made, but part of
    the commentary to withhold approval of P1800 while P1364 makes changes
    to its PAR also included a possibility that the P1364 PAR may never be
    changed. If you looked around the room at that moment you would have
    seen very perplexed faces as that position ran counter to the DASC/CAG
    accord.

      As it stood, the comments did NOT represent the position of the DASC
    nor were they in agreement with the accord DASC and CAG reached. Also,
    the comment that P1364 PAR may never change struck a blow to the
    credibility of the DASC to manage and operate.

    -Dennis

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Victor Berman [mailto:vberman@cadence.com]
    Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:03 AM
    To: stds-dasc-sc@eda.org
    Cc: Btf@boyd.com; etf@boyd.com; ptf@boyd.com; 1364@accellera.org;
    Brophy, Dennis
    Subject: RE: Comments on events at NesCom meeting

    Peter, Dennis,

    I have been catching up on this thread since getting back from the
    NESCOM meeting yesterday and have to say that this seems to be blown out
    of proportion to the actual events that I witnessed at the meeting.

    I was not aware of Mac's request to conference in members of the P1364
    WG since I did not have email access at the time but I do not see
    anything wrong with this. The meeting is open to all interested parties
    and certainly it is conceivable that members of P1364 would have an
    interest. The whole event from start to finish took approximately ten
    minutes and did not seem to bother anyone that I could see in the room.
    As far as Dennis's and Steve Mill's participation, it was their choice
    to do so and clearly not necessary but certainly welcome.

    The questions that Mac posed were, in my mind, legitimate and in no way
    disruptive. They were issues that we had discussed in the DASC-SC and I
    think getting clear answers publicly stated in the NESCOM meeting added
    clarity to the whole procedure. I do not see how having interested
    parties participate in an open meeting and ask relevant questions can be
    seen as embarrassing to DASC.

    Regards,
      Victor

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-stds-dasc-sc@eda.org [mailto:owner-stds-dasc-sc@eda.org] On
    Behalf Of Peter Ashenden
    Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:43 AM
    To: stds-dasc-sc@eda.org
    Cc: Btf@boyd.com; etf@boyd.com; ptf@boyd.com; 1364@accellera.org;
    'Brophy, Dennis'
    Subject: Comments on events at NesCom meeting

    Dear colleagues,

    I am concerned and disappointed at the actions taken by the P1364 Chair
    at the NesCom meeting. My understanding is that he organized a dial-in
    for
    P1364 members to participate and comment on the P1800 proposal.
    Furthermore, he questioned whether P1800 could be approved ahead of the
    changes to the P1364 PAR that we agreed to.

    I view Mac's actions as unprofessional and reprehensible. The DASC-SC
    agreed on a course of action, and obtained agreement and support from
    CAG and Accellera officers. Mac's actions and comments to NesCom have
    undermined the standing of DASC as a sponsor and as a responsible
    organization.

    As sponsor for P1364 and P1800, it is the perogative of the DASC,
    through its Steering Committee, to manage the development of the
    standards. The
    P1364 Chair does not represent the position of the DASC-SC.

    I am directing the P1364 Chair and members not to make representations
    on P1800 or P1364 to other organizations of IEEE or external bodies
    without prior consultation and approval of the DASC Steering Committee.

    My enduring concern is that DASC remain viable as the forum for
    developing EDA standards within IEEE. I will speak strongly against
    anything that prejudices that.

    Regards,

    Peter Ashenden
    DASC Chair 

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