RE: [sv-cc] Last 2 email votes for 1364

From: Stuart Sutherland (stuart@sutherland-hdl.com)
Date: Mon May 09 2005 - 08:58:16 PDT

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    Mantis Item 680: Configs and Verilog source file
    Approve:________________
    Disapprove:______X______
    Abstain:_________________
     
    I do not feel this the changes that would be made by this proposal have been
    sufficiently examined, and that it does not have a true consensus, even
    within the committee. This proposal adds new keywords, removes other
    keywords and adds restrictions that are not backward compatible. Adding new
    keywords is a necessary growing pain. Removing keywords is not necessary
    and will break many existing Verilog-2001 implementations. Adding new
    restrictions will also break existing implementations. More importantly,
    the changes proposed will affect a much broader audience than the few
    companies actively participating in the standards effort. Hundreds, more
    likely thousands, of companies rely on this standards committee maintaining
    a reasonable degree of backward compatibility with previous versions of the
    standard. We have a moral, if not IEEE mandated, obligation to represent
    the interests of ALL users and implementers of the standard. Even if
    consensus were reached on these radical changes within this committee, I do
    not feel that there has been sufficient, if any, effort made to see if the
    Verilog user and implementer community as a whole will accept on such a
    radical change.
     
    The 1364 committee should be aware that should this proposal pass in its
    current form at this committee level, I will vote against this current
    proposal at the champions level, the P1800 working group level, and as an
    entity vote on the 1364 recirculation ballot. There are two possibilities
    that will change my vote to a YES on this proposal:
     
    a) Do not resolve 680 at this time. Instead, treat this as a show-stopper,
    and request an extension from the P1800 working group to give time to reach
    full consensus within the committee and from a much wider audience of users
    and implementers on how to resolve the issue.
     
    b) Only correct the syntax and example errors at this time, and consider the
    more radical changes in a future version of the standard. Cliff has put
    together a full proposal that does this, and for which I would vote YES.
     
    My preference is for the second alternative.
     
     
     
    Mantis Item 687: Compatibility directive and keywords
    Approve:_______X_______
    Disapprove:______________
    Abstain:_________________
     
    I vote to approve the version of the proposal that does not have the item
    680 keyword changes.
     
    Stu
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    Stuart Sutherland
    stuart@sutherland-hdl.com
    +1-503-692-0898
      
     

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    From: owner-sv-cc@eda.org [mailto:owner-sv-cc@eda.org] On Behalf Of
    Fitzpatrick, Tom
    Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:55 AM
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    Subject: [sv-cc] Last 2 email votes for 1364

    Hi Gang,
     
    The last two items for email vote are 680 and 687. 680 is the updated Config
    proposal (see Config.pdf, attached in Mantis), and 687 is the
    compatability/keywords proposal. There are two proposals for 687, contingent
    on whether 680 passes. The only differences between these two proposals are
    the names of the keywords.
     
    The Champions meeting starts at 1pm PDT, so if we could get email votes in
    by noon PDT on Monday 5/9, that will give us time to update the Mantis
    database for the Champions to consider.
     
    Email ballot:
    Mantis Item 680: Configs and Verilo source file
    Approve:________________
    Disapprove:______________
    Abstain:_________________
     
    Mantis Item 687: Compatability directive and keywords

    Approve:________________
    Disapprove:______________
    Abstain:_________________
     
    Thanks,
    -Tom
     
    Tom Fitzpatrick
    Verification Technologist
    Mentor Graphics Corporation
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    C: (978)337-7641
     
     

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