Re: [sv-cc] Last 2 email votes for 1364

From: Charles Dawson (chas@cadence.com)
Date: Mon May 09 2005 - 11:32:20 PDT

  • Next message: Fitzpatrick, Tom: "Special 1364 Meeting to resolve Issue 680 (Configs)"

    Email ballot:
    Mantis Item 680: Configs and Verilog source file
    Approve:_________________
    Disapprove:_______X______
    Abstain:_________________

    What is clear to me is that we did not do a good job with this feature
    the first time. What is equally clear to me is that it is too late to
    fix it in a way that will please everyone.

    I would hold this issue up as an example to the P1800 committee that it
    is important that we resolve outstanding issues before the specification
    becomes a standard. This issue was brought up before 1364-2001, and we
    failed to act then.

    Stu Sutherland wrote:
       Hundreds, more likely thousands, of companies rely on this standards
       committee maintaining a reasonable degree of backward compatibility
       with previous versions of the standard. We have a moral, if not IEEE
       mandated, obligation to represent the interests of ALL users and
       implementors of the standard.

    Had we been following this reasoning in 2001, configs within Verilog
    files would never have been accepted in the first place. Stu, although
    I agree with you completely, it is unfortunate that we as a committee
    do not always protect the interests of existing users like we should.
    Unfortunately, SystemVerilog has thrown in every keyword imaginable, so
    we've really messed this up now.

    Mantis Item 687: Compatability directive and keywords
    Approve:________X________
    Disapprove:______________
    Abstain:_________________

    A (necessary at this point) bandaid for the above described problem.

       -Chas

    Fitzpatrick, Tom wrote:
    > Hi Gang,
    >
    > The last two items for email vote are 680 and 687. 680 is the updated
    > Config proposal (see Config.pdf, attached in Mantis), and 687 is the
    > compatability/keywords proposal. There are two proposals for 687,
    > contingent on whether 680 passes. The only differences between these two
    > proposals are the names of the keywords.
    >
    > The Champions meeting starts at 1pm PDT, so if we could get email votes
    > in by noon PDT on Monday 5/9, that will give us time to update the
    > Mantis database for the Champions to consider.
    >
    > Email ballot:
    > Mantis Item 680: Configs and Verilo source file
    > Approve:________________
    > Disapprove:______________
    > Abstain:_________________
    >
    > Mantis Item 687: Compatability directive and keywords
    > Approve:________________
    > Disapprove:______________
    > Abstain:_________________
    >
    > Thanks,
    > -Tom
    >
    > Tom Fitzpatrick
    > Verification Technologist
    > Mentor Graphics Corporation
    > tfitz@model.com <mailto:tfitz@model.com>
    > W: (978)448-8797
    > C: (978)337-7641
    >
    > 

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Charles Dawson
Senior Engineering Manager
NC-Verilog Team
Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
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Chelmsford, MA  01824
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