Re: Ship a revised Verilog-2001

From: Michael McNamara (mac@verisity.com)
Date: Thu Feb 27 2003 - 11:57:34 PST

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    I like this suggestion; and further those EDA vendors that actively
    participate are given somewhat of an inside track, further
    facilitating our getting much needed additional help.

    -mac

    Stefen Boyd writes:
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    > Stu,
    >
    > There is one more option. We are allowed to distribute
    > drafts of the next version in progress without restrictions
    > from the IEEE. Why not have the VSG create the document
    > mentioned as option 1, but have a full draft that includes
    > all fixes. That way it's not a 2003 version with no new stuff
    > but no one has to mark up their copy to account for the
    > corrections (hey, and they could even be marked with
    > changebars!).
    >
    > Stefen
    >
    >
    > At 04:18 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Stuart Sutherland wrote:
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    > >All,
    > >
    > >In a hallway conversation at DVCon, a valid concern from an EDA vendor was
    > >brought up. The concern is that they need a version of the 1364-2001 LRM
    > >that reflects all of the ETF work has done. This vendor is concerned that
    > >if the 1364 committee begins to add enhancements to 1364, they will have
    > >to wait much longer for "clean" Verilog-2001 LRM. They are equally
    > >concerned that some EDA vendors will use the current 1364-2001 LRM--with
    > >all its formatting and other errata--as an excuse to postpone implementing
    > >Verilog-2001.
    > >
    > >I agree with this vendor. The current LRM being distributed by the IEEE
    > >is too difficult to use due to the many formatting errata the IEEE added
    > >to the document. The many additional errata/clarifications that have been
    > >approved by the ETF make the current LRM even less usable. We should have
    > >a clean, up-to-date LRM as a baseline for when we begin to add enhancements.
    > >
    > >My question to the ETF, then, is how can we publish an updated, cleaned up
    > >version of the 1364-2001, before we move on to adding enhancements? My
    > >strong preference is that the updated version is still identified as
    > >1364-2001, perhaps with a "rev A", or something to indicate it has been
    > >updated.
    > >
    > >I had an opportunity to ask Gabe Moretti this question. His
    > >recommendation was:
    > >
    > >a) publish a compendium that lists all the errata and corrections. No
    > >re-balloting would be involved, but the corrections would be a separate
    > >document, and not part of the published 1364-2001 LRM.
    > >
    > >b) Use the current PAR that is due to be approved in March for a
    > >1264-2004, to rush through a corrected LRM. A re-ballot would be
    > >necessary, but Gabe said if the ballot clearly indicates that the new LRM
    > >is correcting typographical errors, the ballot process should be very
    > >quick. It would be possible to have an updated LRM balloted and done in
    > >time for the 2003 December REVCOM.
    > >
    > >The first option is simple, but means but user's would have to manually
    > >mark corrections in their existing 1264-2001 LRMs (or keeping flipping
    > >back and forth between multiple PDF files). I think most, if not all,
    > >readers of the LRM would like a clean, revised LRM.
    > >
    > >The second option, if I understand Gabe correctly, means there would be a
    > >1364-2003, that has no new language features from 1364-2001. I am not
    > >keen about this, but am willing to live with it, if that is the only way
    > >to get a clean Verilog-2001 LRM.
    > >
    > >I hope to hear some feedback on my thoughts...
    > >
    > >Stu
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > >Stuart Sutherland Sutherland HDL Inc.
    > >stuart@sutherland-hdl.com 22805 SW 92nd Place
    > >phone: 503-692-0898 Tualatin, OR 97062
    > >www.sutherland-hdl.com
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