Re: user input meetings

From: Stuart Sutherland (stuart@sutherland-hdl.com)
Date: Wed Jun 11 2003 - 08:58:26 PDT

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    Kurt,

    I will be at the SNUG conference in Boston, and volunteer to help out.

    I just took a close look and the CUG conference agenda, and must question
    the value of holding a user-input for Verilog at that conference. I could
    not find a single paper on the CUG agenda that involved the Verilog
    language. There were a couple of papers on the Cadence NC-Sim product,
    such as how to link in PLI, but these papers were presented by Cadence
    engineering, and not users. Given the agenda for CUG, I do not think there
    will be many Verilog users at the conference.

    I do agree that a second (third, if we count DAC) user input session is
    needed, but do not have any ideas on a second conference where we can have
    a large number of Verilog users in one place prior to the next DVCon in
    March 2004. Perhaps instead of a second conference gathering, another way
    to collect user input on the next Verilog standard is to send out a
    questionnaire to the Accellera mailing list. I am in a position to do
    that, as the new chair of the Accellera "Designers Forum".

    Also, in addition to requesting Cooley to include an announcement of the
    user-input meetings on ESNUG, we should ask Janick to include an
    announcement in his Verification Guild.

    Stu

    At 07:29 AM 6/11/2003, Kurt Baty wrote:
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    >I will need shills for both conferences, Cliff are you coming?
    >and someone to type or write as Mac did at DAC, volunteers?
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    >I propose that we do "at least" two more user input data
    >collections for the IEEE 1364-2005 standard.
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    >It was proposed at the IEEE 1364-2005 user input meeting
    >at DAC that we might collect user input at the Synopsys
    >user group (SNUG) conference in Boston, Synopsys people
    >at the DAC meeting agreed that this would be okay.
    >Since I am on the SNUG technical committee, after the
    >IEEE meeting at DAC, I called Joanne Wegener (SNUG Boston
    >2003 Conference Manager) who coordinates SNUG conference,
    >and we will get part of the ballroom for lunch on the main
    >day. Attendees can have an undisturbed lunch or
    >be pestered for user input on the future of Verilog.
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    >http://www.snug-universal.org/northamerica/na_boston.htm
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    >One week later the Cadence users group (ICU) is meeting
    >in New Hampshire. I think we could get permission to
    >gather data at the Cadence users conference also.
    >
    >http://www.cadenceusers.org/
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    >Synopsys agreed to allow other non-SNUG attendees to come to
    >this data gathering. Cadence might be willing to do the same.
    >
    >I think this will collect good user data in a very fare fashion.
    >The advantage is that we will have this done by September 17
    >and collect input from perhaps several hundred interested users
    >including ASIC, FPGA, board and system users and at the Cadence
    >users group, analog users as well.
    >
    >Two possible letters
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    >One to John Cooley at ESNUG and after we get all the permissions and times:
    >
    >
    >John, could you please insert into ESNUG the following announcement:
    >
    >The IEEE 1364-2005 Verilog Standards Committee's working group
    >is collecting user input on user needs for the for the next
    >generation of the Verilog language. We have arranged for two
    >user input meetings locations. At SNUG in Boston [date, time].
    >As well as at the Cadence users (ICU) Conference in Manchester,
    >New Hampshire [date, time].
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    >To SNUG or ICU attendees:
    >The IEEE 1364-2005 Verilog Standards Committee's working group
    >is collecting user input on user needs for the for the next
    >generation of the Verilog language. We will be collecting user
    >input at your conference [date, time] Please attend and give
    >us the feedback we need to advance the next generation of
    >the verilog language.
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    >feedback everone?
    >
    > kurt
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