Minutes of the 1/12/04 meeting

From: Karen Pieper (Karen.Pieper@synopsys.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 2004 - 11:11:26 PST

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    Meeting called to order 8:30 January 12, 2004

    Attendance:

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    -a-aa-------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi
    --a--aaaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty
    -------a----------------- David Smith
    --aaaa-a----------------- Dennis Brophy
    aaaaaaa------------------ Francoise Martinolle
    -aaaa-------------------- Drew Lynch
    ---a--------------------- David Roberts
    --a---------------------- Ennis Hawk
    -a----------------------- Ronald Goodstein (First Shot Logic Simulaton, Inc.)
    -a----------------------- Keith Gover
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    The chair read the IEEE patent policy description, also
    directed everone's attention to
    http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a link to the IEEE
    policy is prominent.

    Review of the minutes of the last ETF meeting.
    Cliff attended, so his attendence needs to be noted.
    Shalom mentioned that the open action items are very out of date.
    Tom moves that we approve the minutes with the above modifications.
    Stu seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes.

    Open Action Items:

    (7/14/03) 16: Shalom

    (11/18/02) generate proposal for 17, 113, 255.

             We now have a proposal in an advanced stage.

    (12/1/03) 22: There is no concensus to a fix, so we will leave
    this issue alone until there is one.

    (12/1/03) 33: Mike MacNamera to make a proposal.

    (11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for
             issues 22, 82, 84
             Group has agreement on some of the more contentious
             issues.

    (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are:

         Shalom
              170 formatting of bnf non-terminals

    (11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will
             be a significant rewrite.
             Partially rewritten through the generate proposal. More
            work will remain after the generate proposal is ready.

    (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are:

         Charles
             197 sscanf/"string" incompatibility

                     Should add nulls in the white space description
                    in 17.2.4.3a

    (11/18/02) 198, 254, 58, 318: Shalom

    (7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive

             He needs input on what the simulators do. There are some
             complex issues here dealing with port collapsing and
             inout.
             That is covered by issue 54.

             As to the exact issue in 204, how about adding examples
             indicating that examples 2, 3, 4 are illegal? James will

             do that.

             He has not written this up yet. Shalom suggested that
             this and 7 other errata be evalutated together. All of
             the issues are Brad's (filed by him?) He does not want
             to
             drive. James will develop a proposal for all of them
             including 204. 204, 227, 233, 234, 292, 332, 345, 452,
             486(?).

    (7/14/03) 204, 227, 233, 234: James

    (2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42
             Dave Roberts and Shalom to fix the proposal expanding the
             BNF and creating language to support it.

             Dave Roberts said he'd send something out later today.

    (7/14/03) 245: Shalom
    (7/14/03) 247: May be partially covered by generate proposal

    (10/06/03) 428: Brad and Shalom

    (11/3/03) Shalom has the action to add an issue for the
    situation where you need a hierarchical reference that
    allows an array of scopes. This is a follow on from issue
    209.
            Done. This is issue 500

    (11/3/03) Shalom will open an issue on parameters and signing
    reflecting issues raised in 441.
            Done. This is issue 499

    The group then considered the ETF proposals:

    We discussed the number of issues that have partial fixes, and
    recommend that proposal be made for the partial fixes and new
    issues be opened for remaining more difficult parts.

    Generate Proposal:

    We started the review of the proposal, and will rework the
    proposal based upon the feedback we generated. We will continue
    discussion, and possibly vote, in the next meeting.

    Cliff moves to adjourn the meeting.

    Meeting adjourned at 10:30.

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