Minutes of the 10/18/04 Meeting

From: Karen Pieper (Karen.Pieper@synopsys.com)
Date: Mon Oct 18 2004 - 11:12:29 PDT

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    ETF Meeting for October 18, 2004

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    What is our schedule:

            December 1 LRM Changes must be passed by the ETF, BTF, etc committees.
            Datatypes work is going to the SV-BC.

    In a previous meeting, we discussed errata that should be high priority.
            Proposals were:
                    Syntax with libraries and configurations
                            175, 372, 99, 107, 108, 135, 248, 212, 501,
                            582, 350, 514
                    Order of operations WRT typing: signedness and reals
                            Multiple differing implementaions exist
                            Is the standard unclear?
                            282, 83, 215, 106, 454, 463, 486, 506, 35, 96, 344, 428, 624
                    multiple possible resolutions for hierarchical names
                    in generate
                            604 has a proposal
                    
    The chair directed everone's attention to
    http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a link to the IEEE
    policy was reviewed.

    Review of the minutes of the last ETF meeting (August 23, 2004).
    Shalom suggests that we add to the configurations list: 350, 514
    Shalom suggests that we add to the order of operations: 35, 96, 344, 428
    Shalom notes that 46 is a typo. It should be 486
    Shalom moves that we accept the minutes of the meeting as modified. Stu
    seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes.

    Issues:

    ETF proposals:

    Issue 17: Passed by the VSG now.

    Issue 403: Passed by the ETF now.

    Issue 425: Passed by the VSG now.

    Issue 428: Should be moved back to open.

    Issue 445: Passed by the ETF now.

    Issue 554: Passed by the ETF now.

    Issue 607: Passed by the ETF now.

    Issue 602: Passed by VSG
    Issue 603: Passed by VSG

    Issue 619: Should be moved back to open.

    Issue 604: Steven will talk with Jason about whether he means a
            generate construct or if he wants nested ifs done all
            at once.

    Issue 620: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Steven
            Seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes.

    Issue 624: Should be moved back to open.

    Issue 625: Shalom moves that we close this issue. Steven seconds.
            No opposed. No abstain. Passes.

    Issue 627: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Brad seconds.
            No opposed. No abstain. Passes.

    We discussed the possible projects for us to finish to create
    a new version of the standard. We agreed that order of operations
    was the most important thing for us to do.

    We agree with the current understanding for the meaning of the evaluation. We also agree that reading the LRM may not come up with that meaning.

    Due to lack of volunteers, we are not prepared to address the issues with evaluation order for this revision of the LRM. From this point until this revision of the LRM freezes, we will address issues for which individuals choose to make proposals rather than taking on large blocks of related errata.

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    Everybody moves that we adjourn at 10:33.

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